From PG@omk.il.pw.edu.pl Thu Mar 10 15:25:50 1994 Received: from alfa.camk.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA08853; Thu, 10 Mar 94 15:09:52 +0100 Received: from [148.81.70.3] by alfa.camk.edu.pl (5.65b/RP-1.2) id AA11624; Thu, 10 Mar 94 15:13:21 +0100 Received: from omkmail.il.pw.edu.pl.70.81.148.in-addr.arpa by omknet.il.pw.edu.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA11965; Thu, 10 Mar 94 15:12:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: From OMK/WORKQUEUE by omkmail.il.pw.edu.pl via Charon 3.1 with IPX id 100.940310151449.288; 10 Mar 94 15:15:06 +0500 Message-Id: To: polip@camk.edu.pl From: "Piotr Goralski" Date: 10 Mar 94 15:14:43 MET-1MET Subject: Charon a Mercury X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1c R5. Ostatnio zauwazylem w naglowkach poczty, ze u innych czesto programem wysylajacym poczte jest Mercury. Domyslam sie, ze jest to program obslugujacy poczte internet - novell , czy slusznie - jezeli tak to w czym jest on lepszy od charona, a jezeli jest lepszy, to na ktorym FTP serwerze mozna go znalezc. Ciekawi mnie to poniewaz ostatnio mamy klopoty z charonem (wysyla poczte, ale nie zawsze przyjmyje). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Goralski Osrodek Metod Komputerowych IL PW pg@omk.il.pw.edu.pl pg@omknet.il.pw.edu.pl <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl Fri Mar 11 10:25:53 1994 Received: from galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA04542; Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:22:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by uci.agh.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00833; Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:25:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:25:12 +0100 From: szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl (Szymon Sokol) Message-Id: <9403110925.AA00833@uci.agh.edu.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury Mercurego mozna znalezc na ftp.uci.agh.edu.pl, w /pub/novell/netwire/novlib/mercury/merc111.zip. Rozni sie od CHarona tym, ze chodzi jako NLM na serverze, a nie jako program na dedykowanym PC. NIE obsluguje kolejek drukarkowych (tzn. nie moze byc gatewayem lpr/lpd <-> Novell). Za to moze dzialac jako listserver. Szymon Sokol From @plearn.edu.pl:krzys@ruby.poz.edu.pl Fri Mar 11 10:45:55 1994 Received: from plearn.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA05196; Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:40:07 +0100 Return-Path: <@plearn.edu.pl:krzys@ruby.poz.edu.pl> Received: from ruby.poz.edu.pl by plearn.edu.pl (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with TCP; Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:42:26 CET Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 10:48:19 CET From: Krzysztof Kosarzycki In-Reply-To: <9403110925.AA00833@uci.agh.edu.pl>; from "Szymon Sokol" at Mar 11, 94 10:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403111048.aa12302@ruby.poz.edu.pl> Czesc wszystkim, Mercury ma jeszcze jedna dobra wlasciwosc - jest POP3 serverem - co dla wielu ludzi pracujacych z DOS lub WIndows jest milym zaskoczeniem i uproszczeniem pracy z poczta. Krzysztof Kosarzycki From PG@omk.il.pw.edu.pl Fri Mar 11 11:05:53 1994 Received: from omknet.il.pw.edu.pl.70.81.148.in-addr.arpa by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA06042; Fri, 11 Mar 94 11:03:27 +0100 Received: from omkmail.il.pw.edu.pl.70.81.148.in-addr.arpa by omknet.il.pw.edu.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA20388; Fri, 11 Mar 94 11:06:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: From OMK/WORKQUEUE by omkmail.il.pw.edu.pl via Charon 3.1 with IPX id 100.940311110902.416; 11 Mar 94 11:09:27 +0500 Message-Id: To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl From: "Piotr Goralski" Date: 11 Mar 94 11:08:45 MET-1MET Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1c R5. > Czesc wszystkim, > Mercury ma jeszcze jedna dobra wlasciwosc - > jest POP3 serverem - co dla wielu ludzi pracujacych z DOS > lub WIndows jest milym zaskoczeniem i uproszczeniem pracy > z poczta. > Krzysztof Kosarzycki > Co oznacza POP3 server. Z gory dziekuje za wyjasnienie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Goralski Osrodek Metod Komputerowych IL PW pg@omk.il.pw.edu.pl pg@omknet.il.pw.edu.pl <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From @plearn.edu.pl:krzys@ruby.poz.edu.pl Fri Mar 11 11:45:54 1994 Received: from plearn.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA07514; Fri, 11 Mar 94 11:40:43 +0100 Return-Path: <@plearn.edu.pl:krzys@ruby.poz.edu.pl> Received: from ruby.poz.edu.pl by plearn.edu.pl (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with TCP; Fri, 11 Mar 94 11:43:04 CET Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 11:49:01 CET From: Krzysztof Kosarzycki In-Reply-To: ; from "Piotr Goralski" at Mar 11, 94 11:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403111149.aa13000@ruby.poz.edu.pl> Czesc, odpowiadam POP3 server jest to obsluga poczty ale nie na porcie 25 tylko na ...(chyba 102,103 lub 109 nie pamietam dokladnie) Obsluga w protokole POP3 a nie SMTP. Z POP3 servera korzysta oprogramowanie Dos-owe lub inne jezeli potrafi w tym trybie pracowac. Z dos-a np. pracuje pakiet MENUET i inne Integrujace wszystkie uslugi sieciowe(ftp,telnet,news itp) w jednym pakiecie. Poczta jest trzymana na POP3 serverze do momentu az nie zglosi sie stacja - w tym czasie nastepuje rozladowanie poczty do uzytkownika na lokalny dysk (lub sieciowy) i wyslanie od uzytkownika w siec do servera. Jest to wygodne bo siedzac w jednym pakiecie nie trzeba go opuszczac aby odebrac poczte. Mozna szczegolnie w Windows miec wszystko na ekranie nic nie tracac. Krzysztof Kosarzycki From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Fri Mar 11 20:05:54 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA04590; Fri, 11 Mar 94 20:02:17 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 20:04:17 cet From: Maciek Uhlig In-Reply-To: <9403111149.aa13000@ruby.poz.edu.pl>; from "Krzysztof Kosarzycki" at Mar 11, 94 11:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403112004.aa23529@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> > odpowiadam POP3 server jest to obsluga poczty ale nie na porcie 25 > tylko na ...(chyba 102,103 lub 109 nie pamietam dokladnie) POP2 - 109 (RFC 918, RFC 937) POP3 - 110 (RFC 1081, RFC 1082) Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From @IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de Sat Mar 12 09:45:55 1994 Received: from ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA03223; Sat, 12 Mar 94 09:26:36 +0100 Return-Path: <@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Received: from mpifrrouter by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 12 Mar 94 09:31:55 MEZ Received: from sun72.mpifr by mpifrrouter (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA28018; Sat, 12 Mar 94 09:30:53 +0100 Received: by sun72.mpifr (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA14478; Sat, 12 Mar 94 09:31:28 +0100 From: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Andrzej Marecki) Message-Id: <9403120831.AA14478@sun72.mpifr> Subject: Re: Charon a Mercury To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 09:31:28 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403112004.aa23529@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Maciek Uhlig" at Mar 11, 94 08:06:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 866 > POP2 - 109 (RFC 918, RFC 937) > POP3 - 110 (RFC 1081, RFC 1082) No i do kompletu nalezaloby dodac jeszcze co znaczy POP: Post Office Protocol POP - klient jest np. w pakiecie QVTNET (shareware) i PC/TCP (f-my FTP Software Inc. Dealer w Polsce: ATM). A. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrzej Marecki | Internet: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de | Phone: +49 228 525356 | Snail mail: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie | Postfach 2024, 53010 Bonn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If probability of intelligent life is zero, this means we are not here. Or that we are not intelligent." - David Florez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Wed Mar 16 09:05:54 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA25595; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:03:33 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 9:07:08 cet From: Maciek Uhlig Cc: kasia@atm.com.pl, gorazi@plearn.edu.pl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403160907.aa23150@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Wlasnie dostalem z firmy ATM pismo, w ktorym ATM proponuje, ze dokona hurtowych zakupow programu PC/TCP firmy FTP Software dla srodowiska akademickiego, przy czym prawdopodobne jest dofinansowanie zakupu przez KBN do 99% calkowitych kosztow zakupu. Nie ukrywam, ze propozycja jest atrakcyjna z uwagi na jakosc tego oprogramowania (sam bym wzial na takich warunkach ze 200 licencji), ale w tej sytuacji mam kolejna propozycje: aby firma ATM przed ta akcja postarala sie o polonizacje oprogramowania. Gdyby mialo ono byc rozprowadzane w wersji angielskiej, to nadal preferowalbym software public domain. Kopie tegoz przesylam do ATM: kasia@atm.com.pl i do KBN: gorazi@plearn.edu.pl Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From @IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de Wed Mar 16 11:05:55 1994 Received: from ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA27162; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:53:06 +0100 Return-Path: <@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Received: from mpifrrouter by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:00:51 MEZ Received: from sun72.mpifr by mpifrrouter (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06236; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:59:46 +0100 Received: by sun72.mpifr (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA20182; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:00:23 +0100 From: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Andrzej Marecki) Message-Id: <9403161000.AA20182@sun72.mpifr> Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:00:22 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403160907.aa23150@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Maciek Uhlig" at Mar 16, 94 09:08:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1852 > Nie ukrywam, ze propozycja jest atrakcyjna z uwagi na jakosc tego > oprogramowania (sam bym wzial na takich warunkach ze 200 licencji), > ale w tej sytuacji mam kolejna propozycje: > aby firma ATM przed ta akcja postarala sie o polonizacje oprogramowania. Popieram! Ale o jaka polonizacje Ci chodzi? Czy tak jak spolonizowane sa okna? Ze zamiast "please wait" bedzie "prosze czekac", a zamiast "server" bedzie... no wlasnie, co ma byc? Takiej "polonizacji" dla srodowiska _akademickiego_ nie popieram. Ale zapewne masz na mysli kwestie polskich znakow. Tu - zgoda. Osobny problem, to dokumentacja. Jest to nb. przegadana cegla. Kto to przetlumaczy? I za ile? Tu znow jestem "przeciw", ale zaloze sie, ze nie to miales na mysli. > Gdyby mialo ono byc rozprowadzane w wersji angielskiej, to nadal > preferowalbym software public domain. Ktory public domain TCP/IP software dla PC jest (juz) spolonizowany? I w jakim sensie? Moj komentarz na uboczu. Ciekawe, czy wybuchnie "wojna cenowa" miedzy ATM a resellerami SUN-a (np. Solidex-em), ktorzy beda postawieni w trudnej sytuacji ze swoim PC-NFS. Ktory nb. nie jest przeciez gorszy (mowie to jako zwolennik jednak PC/TCP), a w dodatku dosc rozpowszechniony w Polsce, tak jak SUN-y. Andrzej -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrzej Marecki | Internet: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de | Phone: +49 228 525356 | Snail mail: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie | Postfach 2024, 53010 Bonn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If probability of intelligent life is zero, this means we are not here. Or that we are not intelligent." - David Florez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Wed Mar 16 11:45:58 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA28282; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:40:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl id aa29281; 16 Mar 94 11:46 cet Subject: news transfer - metody To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:38:42 cet From: Maciek Uhlig X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403161139.aa29062@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Wyobrazcie sobie, ze macie szybkie serwery newsow polaczone wolnymi liniami telefonicznymi (sytuacja typowa dla Polski). I chcecie transferowac ile sie tylko da. Naturalne jest, ze dazylibyscie do kompresji transferowanych batchow (bo normalnie transferowany jest czysty tekst ASCII). Rozwiazaniem jest zastosowanie UUCP over TCP, ktora to konfiguracja umozliwia transfer batchow kompresowanych za pomoca compress czy gzip. Oficjalne stanowisko NASK, ktore przed chwila poznalem, jest w tej kwestii nastepujace: mamy standardowa konfiguracje, ktora nie bedzie zmieniana. Dlatego nie bedziemy stosowac UUCP over TCP. OK, dopasuje sie. Tylko zamiast darmowego rozwiazania, ktore zmniejsza objetosc przesylanych plikow 4-krotnie, kupie sobie High Speed Serial i wynajme lacze 2 MB. W sumie ze 100.000.000 zl plus oplaty dzierzawne za lacze co miesiac. Albo poczekam cierpliwie, az Pagesat zawiesi satelite nad Europa i umozliwi mi feed bezposrednio ze zrodla. No comments. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Wed Mar 16 11:46:02 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA28299; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:41:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl id aa29390; 16 Mar 94 11:47 cet Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:27:30 cet From: Maciek Uhlig Cc: kasia@atm.com.pl In-Reply-To: <9403161000.AA20182@sun72.mpifr>; from "Andrzej Marecki" at Mar 16, 94 11:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403161128.aa28461@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> > Ale zapewne masz na mysli kwestie polskich znakow. Tu - zgoda. Dokladnie. > > Osobny problem, to dokumentacja. Jest to nb. przegadana cegla. > Kto to przetlumaczy? I za ile? Tu znow jestem "przeciw", ale zaloze > sie, ze nie to miales na mysli. > W oryginalnej dokumentacji jest kopalnia wiedzy. Nic by sie nie stalo, gdyby byla przetlumaczona w calosci. Kto? Za ile? To sprawa ATM (glownie) i KBN. Ludzi ci w Polsce dostatek, ktorzy moga tlumaczyc. > Ktory public domain TCP/IP software dla PC jest (juz) spolonizowany? > I w jakim sensie? Zaden oczywiscie. Mialem na mysli, ze gdyby uzywac software'u po angielsku, to lepiej za niego nie placic w ogole. Nota bene mam informacje z Minnesoty, ze ich Minuet ma byc docelowo zrobiony tak, ze wszystkie teksty beda w oddzielnych plikach po to, by mozna je bylo samodzielnie lokalizowac. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Wed Mar 16 12:05:57 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA28542; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: INET 94 info To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:53:21 cet From: Maciek Uhlig Cc: plotki@ia.pw.edu.pl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403161153.aa29514@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Przesylam zainteresowanym info o konferencji INET 94 w Pradze. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** -- Received: from CUNYVM (NJE origin SMTP2@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8032; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 23:51:42 -0500 Received: from parmesan.cs.wisc.edu by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 14 Mar 94 23:51:37 EST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:22:06 -0600 From: lhl@cs.wisc.edu (L.H. Landweber) Message-Id: <9403142322.AA08965@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu> Received: by parmesan.cs.wisc.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:22:06 -0600 To: inet@cs.wisc.edu Subject: Registration INET 94 PRELIMINARY PROGRAMME AND INVITATION - INET'94/JENC5 - INET'94, the Annual Conference of the Internet Society held in conjunction with the 5th Joint European Networking Conference (JENC5) Prague, Czech Republic, June 13-17, 1994 Jointly organized by The Internet Society (ISOC) and Reseaux Associes pour la Recherche Europeenne (RARE) -------------------- PRE-CONFERENCE PROGRAMME RARE Working Groups Prior to the conference, on Monday June 13 and Tuesday June 14, RARE Working Group meetings will take place. During these meetings the different Working Groups will introduce their current activities and discuss various high priority topics. The meetings are open to all those who are interested. Monday, June 13 - RARE Working Group on Information Services and User Support - RARE Working Group on Network Applications Support Tuesday, June 14 - RARE Working Group on Lower-Layers Technology - RARE Working Group on Information Services and User Support - 17:30-18:30 Internet Society Open Membership Meeting - 18:30-20:30 Opening Reception ------------------- OVERVIEW of Conference Programme Wednesday, June 15 01 08:30-10:30 Opening Session - Welcome Addresses Speaker: Vint Cerf, President of the Internet Society. Speaker: Kees Neggers, President of RARE. - Keynote Addresses: Approached speakers are: - Mr. George Soros, founder of the Soros Foundations. - Professor PhDr. Petr Pitha, Minister of Education of the Czech Republic. - Mr. Michel Carpentier - EC, Director General of DG XIII. 02 11:00-12.30 Parallel Sessions 03 14:00-15:30 Plenary Overview of Technical Programs of the IETF and RARE 04 16:00-17:30 Parallel Sessions Thursday, June 16 05 09:00-10:30 Parallel Sessions 06 11:00-12:30 Parallel Sessions 07 14:00-15:30 Parallel Sessions 08 16:00-17:30 Plenary Panel discussion on "Industry and the Internet" Friday, June 17 09 09:00-10:30 Parallel Sessions 10 11:00-12:30 Closing Session DEMONSTRATIONS At the Conference there will be a demonstrations area where participants may visit a number of stands to see displays and demonstrations of various projects and applications of network services for the academic community. CONFERENCE EVENTS All participants and accompanying persons are invited to attend the following events. We hope these events will provide an opportunity to renew old friendships and to create new ones with colleagues from all over the world. OPENING RECEPTION Palace of Culture, Tuesday, June 14 from 18.30 - 20.30. Enjoy light refreshments while "catching up" with friends and colleagues directly on the premises of the Congress Venue. GALA DINNER, Wednesday, June 15 from 20.00 - 23.00. Obecni dum (Municipal House) Come and see the beautifully decorated interiors of the most impressive building in Art Nouveau style in Prague from the beginning of this century. There are six representative halls; the biggest one was frequently used by Smetana for concerts. COCKTAILS Palace of Culture, Thursday, June 16 from 18.00 - 19.00. A Farewell Cocktail Party will be held on the second floor of the Palace of Culture. The adjoining terrace has the most unforgettable view of Prague. CONFERENCE LOCATION Palace of Culture Trida 5.kvetna 140 09 PRAGUE 4 Czech Republic Telephone: +42-2-6117-1111 SESSION DESCRIPTIONS and OUTLINE The programme consists of six subject tracks organized in six parallel streams of up to six sessions. The technical content and the sequence of sessions is subject to change. T1 USER SUPPORT AND TRAINING TRACK Chairs: Jill Foster, University of Newcastle, UK Joyce Reynolds, ISI, Marina del Rey, USA S1-1. Building and Supporting Electronic Communities Chair: David Conrad, Asia Pacific Network Information Center, Japan Operational experiences and lessons learned in bringing new communities of users to the Internet. S1-2. Training for the Network Citizen Chair: Peter Kemp, University of Glasgow, Scotland Facing the challenge of training the expanding population of new network users. S1-3. Panel: Power to the User! Enabling users to help themselves Chair: Rolf Nordhagen, University of Oslo Information Technology Services, Norway To provide support for the increasing numbers of users on the network is a formidable task. This session will be run as a panel discussion with expert panelists from around the world sharing their knowledge and experience. Audience participation is highly encouraged. S1-4. Electronic Documents Chair: Maria Heijne, SURFnet BV, The Netherlands Reports on real projects concerned with the handling and delivery of electronic materials. S1-5. Networked Information: Tools and Access Chair: David Sitman, EARN, France Tools and techniques for the provision of information over the network. S1-6. Issues in building the Virtual Library Chair: Michael Breaks, Heriot-Watt University Library, Edinburgh, Scotland The papers will discuss some of the issues that will have to be addressed if the Internet is to fulfill its potential as a 'Virtual Library' T2 DISTRIBUTED APPLICATIONS TRACK Chairs: Erik Huizer, SURFnet, The Netherlands Barry Leiner, USRA, USA S2-1. MultiMedia A Chair: John Dyer, Joint Network Team (JANET), UK An overview of developments in interactive MultiMedia Networking. S2-2. MultiMedia B Chair: Chris Adie, Edinburgh University Computing Service, Scotland An overview of developments in interactive MultiMedia Networking and MultiMedia Information Services. S2-3. Dial-up Applications Chairs: Hariharasubrahmanian Shrikumar, India Archie Marshall, Jamaica The State of the Art in Applications specific to usage over low bandwidth networks. S2-4. Sample Application: How the Automotive Industry uses the Internet Chair: Robert Moskowitz, Chrysler Corporation, USA Examples of usage of Internet technology in the Industrial Environment. S2-5. Networked Simulation and Virtual Reality Chair: Mark Pullen, George Mason University, USA Networking aspects of the new and exciting field of applications around Networked Simulation and Virtual Reality. S2-6. Directory Services Chair: Paul-Andre Pays, INRIA, France Directory services for the Internet: Current issues in research and deployment. T3 POLICY ISSUES TRACK Chairs: Juergen Harms, University of Geneva, Switzerland Mike Roberts, EDUCOM, USA S3-1. Privacy Chair: David Farber, University of Pennsylvania, USA Recently, privacy in computer networks has become a topic for discussion, especially due to the US government's Clipper and Digital Telephony proposals. This session will focus on the legal and public policy issues in privacy protection. S3-2. European CERT Activities Chair: Hannes Lubich, SWITCH, Switzerland The increase in computer and network related security breaches has led to the foundation of the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) in the USA. Similar efforts are currently being made in Europe, where a European CERT, as well as several national CERTs are being set up. This session will review the current situation, and will assess future steps. S3-3. National and regional policies Chair: Tomaz Kalin, RARE, The Netherlands Reports from USA, Europe and the Pacific Rim, outlining current government policies on network service evolution. S3-4. The Economics of Networks and Network Growth Chair: Robert Cohen, PhD Economic Consultant, USA The existing world-wide network infrastructure is becoming increasingly interesting for commercial use. On the other hand, the tremendous growth rate of the Internet requires additional funding to maintain the availability and quality of the network and its services. S3-5. International Coordination of Internet Standards. Chair: Lyman Chapin, Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, USA A discussion of the cluster of issues around evolution of OSI and IP protocols in the international policy context. S3-6 The Internet and the Press Chair: John Markoff, New York Times, USA Discussion forum with participants from Europe, USA and the rest of the World. T4 REGIONAL ISSUES TRACK Chair Richard Mandelbaum, NYSERNet, USA S4-1. Networking assists Societal Stability/Networking Chair: Steve Goldstein, National Science Foundation, USA Networking can either help or hinder societal goals in any particular culture. What has the role of the Internet been in this regard? This session will look at some examples of cases where the Internet has either assisted in the reaching of such broader societal goals or has posed new problems. S4-2. Internationalization of Network Applications Chair: Borka Jerman-Blazic, J. Stefan Institute, Ljubljana, Slovenia The Internet allows global collaboration in may diverse areas of scholarship and commerce. As part of such collaboration many new tools, especially linguistic and directory tools are necessary. This session will discuss work has been done so far on the development of such tools. S4-3. Regional Developments I - Eastern Europe and CIS Chair: Frode Greisen, UNI-C Lyngby, Denmark An update on recent developments in the organization and operation of national and regional networks in Eastern Europe and the CIS. S4-4. Regional Developments II - Pacific Rim and Latin America Chair: Carlos Afonso, Brazilian Institute of Social and Economic Analysis, IBASE, Brazil An update on recent developments in the organization and operation of national and regional networks in the Pacific Rim and Latin America. S4-5. Regional Developments III - Africa and the Middle East Chair: Mondher Mokni, Tunisia An update on recent developments in the organization and operation of national and regional networks in Africa and the Middle East. S4-6. National Research and Education Networks, Telephone Companies and PTT's Chair: Gary Augustson, CIS, Pennsylvania State University, USA A Panel discussion focussing on the relationships between Telephone Companies and PTT's and national and regional research and education networks. What is the current relationship? How is the development of the coming global information infrastructure and the continuing deregulation and increased competitiveness in the telephone industry going to effect these relationships. T5 NETWORK ENGINEERING TRACK Chairs Elise Gerich, Merit Network Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Peter Elford, Cisco Systems, Australia S5-1. Routing and Addressing Chair: Elise Gerich, Merit Network Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Network operators have stated routing and addressing plans must be manageable and scalable. This session presents some thoughts on how to address that requirement. S5-2. Performance Analysis Chair: Olivier Martin, CERN, Switzerland Analysing network performance is key in designing networks and planning for network growth. S5-3. Heterogeneous Networks Chair: Toshiya Asaba, Internet Initiative Japan, Inc., Japan To provide global connectivity to network users, network providers need to be aware of ways to engineer their networks to support multiple network protocols. S5-4. Network management Chair: Peter Elford, Cisco Systems, Australia Network management tools and mechanisms are the basis for providing a stable operational service. S5-5. Quality Assurance Chair: Manfred Bogen, GMD, St. Augustin, Germany With the proliferation of network service providers, assessing the quality of service is becoming an issue when deciding among them. T6 NETWORK TECHNOLOGY TRACK Chairs: Paul Mockapetris, ISI, Marina del Rey, USA Juha Heinanen, FUNET, Finland S6-1. Mobility Chair: Charles Perkins, T.J. Watson Research Center IBM, USA Support for mobile network users will be one of the key requirements for the rest of the decade. This session will discuss various aspects of mobility support in the Internet and in a specific environment. S6-2. IPng: State of the art and process Chair: Allison Mankin, NRL, USA The IETF has recently chartered an IP next generation area to select a focus protocol. This session discusses the criteria, process and status of this effort. S6-3. Future Generations of Internet Technology Chair: Dave Morton, ECRC, Munich, Germany Even as the IPng group struggles to identify a new production IP, research groups continue to work on the basic issues that will contribute to IPng and its successors. S6-4. Broadband Technology Chair: Jaap van Till, Consultancy Group Stratix BV, The Netherlands High speed networks and their technology create specific problems for the network designer. This session discusses technology that makes broadband more tractable. S6-5. Broadband deployment and experiments Chair: Mark Laubach, HP Labs, USA Testbeds provide experimental evidence regarding the utility of broadband as a building block for future networks. This session reports on the progress of some well known testbeds. CONFERENCE INFORMATION HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS The following hotels are offering special INET'94/JENC5 conference rates. The prices include breakfast and V.A.T. tax. Forum Hotel (Conference headquarters) Kongresova 1, Prague 4 Tel.: +42-2-6119-1111 Fax.: +42-2-421-669 USD 153,- /single USD 168,- /double Located opposite the Congress venue (approx. 200 meters). Panorama Hotel Milevska 7, Prague 4 Tel.: +42-2-6116-1111 Fax.: +42-2-426-263 USD 125,- /single USD 142,- /double Located very close to the Metro, line C, two stops from the Congress venue (approx. 10 minutes). Union Hotel (2 kilometers from Congress Venue) Ostrcilovo nam. 4, Prague 2 Tel.: +42-2-6121-4812 Fax.: +42-2-6121-4820 USD 95,- /single USD 112,- /double Located in the neighbourhood of the Congress venue, within walking distance (approx. 10-15 minutes). Patty Hotel (1 kilometer from Congress Venue) Signorova 4, Prague 2 Tel.: +42-2-290-052 or 290-053 Fax.: +42-2-292-197 USD 80,- /single USD 93,- /double Located within walking distance (approx. 5 minutes). ILF Hotel (3 kilometers from Congress Venue) Budejovicka 15, Prague 4 Tel.: +42-2-433-553, 422-555 Fax.: +42-2-423-692 USD 50,- /single USD 65,- /double Located very close to Metro, line C, three stops from the Congress venue (approx. 10 minutes). Kupa Hotel (8 kilometers from Congress Venue) Kupeckeho 842, Prague 4 - Haje Tel.: +42-2-791-0321 or 791-0221 Fax.: +42-2-791-0216 USD 30,-/single USD 40,-/double Located on Metro, line C (approx. 15 minutes) Please mark on the registration form your hotel preference (first and second choices please) and any special requests. CONFERENCE AND HOTEL RESERVATION All participants are encouraged to register before May 1st to obtain the reduced registration fee. Please complete the enclosed conference registration form and return it, with a check payable in U.S. dollars, by mail to the address listed on the form. Registration with credit card payments are possible and may be sent by E-mail or Fax to the Conference Registration Office. The conference registration form also serves as a reservation for hotel accommodation. In order to reserve a hotel room, either complete the credit card authorisation section on the conference registration form, or include 1 night's payment for accomodation along with the conference registration fee, payable by company check in US dollars. (Personal checks are not acceptable.) Several exciting optional tours have been arranged, as described below. A separate form is enclosed and should be mailed, along with full payment, directly to the tour company. A Registration and Information desk will be open at the Palace of Culture in Prague beginning Tuesday, June 14, 1994, from 12.00 hours up until Friday, June 17 12.00 hours. CONFIRMATION OF REGISTRATION A letter confirming conference registration and hotel accommodation will be sent to each participant upon receipt of the completed registration form and accompanying payment. This letter should be presented to the Registration Desk at the Palace of Culture upon arrival. REGISTRATION FEES COVER The registration fees cover attendance to all conference sessions. Also included are the Opening Reception, Gala Dinner, Cocktail Party, luncheons, coffee breaks, and conference materials including the program, full paper proceedings and other conference publications. The fee for an accompanying person includes the Opening Reception, Gala Dinner, and Cocktail Party. Attendance at the conference sessions, luncheons, and conference materials are not included in this fee. PAYMENT METHOD All payments must be in United States Dollars. Bank transfer, check and international credit cards (VISA, American Express and Master Card) are acceptable. Bank account No. 1412130287 / 0100, Komercni banka, Dejvicka 52, Praha 6, Czech Republic. Please make sure your name is added on the transfer slip. PAYMENT AND CANCELLATION CONDITIONS In the case of cancellation, WRITTEN (postal, fax, or electronic) notification must be sent to the Registration Office and received on or before the dates indicated. Refunds will be made after deducting expenses and cancellation charges according to the schedule below. Cancellation of reservation for accommodation: 30 days prior to arrival without cancellation fee 30-15 days prior to arrival 30% from deposit 15- 7 days prior to arrival 60% from deposit 7 days and less prior to arrival 100% Cancellation of conference registration: on or before May 25 ......... $ 50 (administrative fee) from May 25 to June 10 ........ 50% of Registration fee from June 11 .................. no refund Tours Full payment must be received by May 1, 1994 to confirm your reservation. Requests for refunds must be received 10 days prior to the tour. No refunds if cancellation received later than 10 days prior to the tour. A minimum of 15 persons is required for the operation of tours. Full refunds will be issued if the minimum number of participants is not met. NETWORK TRAINING WORKSHOP FOR TECHNOLOGICALLY EMERGING COUNTRIES In conjunction with INET'94/JENC5 Conference,a workshop for networking training for developing countries will be held prior to the conference itself. The workshop will take place at the Czech Technical University during June 5 - 11, 1994. An intensive program of instruction, with emphasis upon hands-on network construction, configuration and use, is planned for each of four program tracks: 1) Dial-up networking technology 2) TCP/IP networking technology 3) Network navigation and services 4) National network management For additional information, please contact: Jo-Anne Scott (joscott@igc.apc.org). REGISTRATION OFFICE VC CVUT INET'94/JENC5 Conference Registration Office Zikova 4 166 35 PRAHA 6 CZECH REPUBLIC E-mail: register@earn.cvut.cz Tel: +42-2-3322916 Fax: +42-2-24310271 ACCOMMODATION AND TOURS INET'94/JENC5 Guarant Ltd. Opletalova 15 110 00 PRAHA 1 CZECH REPUBLIC Tel: +42-2-24210650/24210735 Fax: +42-2-260130 GENERAL INQUIRIES INET'94/JENC5 Secretariat c/o RARE Secretariat Singel 466-468 NL-1017 AW AMSTERDAM Tel: +31 20 639 1131 Fax: +31 20 639 3289 E-mail: inet-jenc-sec@rare.nl X.400: C=nl; ADMD=400net; PRMD=surf; O=rare; S=inet-jenc-sec ------------------------------------------------------------------------- INET'94/JENC5 CONFERENCE REGISTRATION FORM Return completed form to: VC CVUT INET'94/JENC5 Conference Registration Office Zikova 4 166 35 Praha 6 Czech Republic Tel. +42-2-3322916 Fax. +42-2-24310271 E-mail: register@earn.cvut.cz Conference registration fee MUST accompany this form and must be received before registration or accommodation can be processed. Please make a copy of this form for your records. Please type all applicable information requested below. Only one registration per form, please. __________________________________________________________________ SURNAME ...................... FIRST NAME ................... Prof__ Dr__ Mr__ Ms__ Internet Society Member #___________________ TITLE ....................... AFFILIATION .................. STREET ADDRESS .................................. CITY ........................ STATE ....................... POSTAL CODE ................. COUNTRY ..................... TELEPHONE ................... FAX ......................... E-MAIL ....................... NAME TO APPEAR ON BADGE ................... REGISTERED ACCOMPANYING PERSON(S) .................................................. SPECIAL NEEDS/MEALS .................................................. ________________________________________________________________ Payment Method: All payments must be in United States Dollars. Bank transfer, check and international credit cards (VISA, American Express and Master Card) are acceptable. Personal checks are not acceptable. Bank account No. 1412130287/0100, Komercni banka, Dejvicka 52, Praha 6, Czech Republic. PLEASE MENTION THE PARTICIPANT'S NAME. ________________________________________________________________ Registration Fees Internet Society Member ..... (Before May 1) ..... $425 ..$____ .............................. (May 1 - June 5) ... $475 ..$____ Desk Registration............ (from June 6) ...... $525 ..$____ Non-Member (includes a one year ISOC membership).................. (Before May 1) ..... $475 ..$____ .............................. (May 1 - June 5) ... $525 ..$____ Desk Registration ........... (from June 6) ...... $575 ..$____ Accompanying Person(s) (Includes Opening Reception, Gala Dinner and Cocktails) ....................... $115 ..$____ Hotel Deposit (if not guaranteed by credit card) $____ TOTAL AMOUNT TO BE CHARGED: $____ ____VISA ____MasterCard ____American Express ____International Money Order Credit Card Number_________________________ Expiration Date____________________________ Name on Card_______________________________ Signature__________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- INET'94/JENC5 Accommodation Reservation Accommodation reservations must be made by completing this form. Guaranteed accommodation cut-off date: MAY 01 Rooms: / Nights: ________Forum Hotel,....USD 153,-/single,....USD 168,-/double ________Panorama Hotel,.USD 125,-/single,....USD 142,-/double ________Union Hotel,....USD 95,-/single,.....USD 112,-/double ________Patty Hotel,....USD 80,-/single,.....USD 93,-/double ________ILF Hotel,......USD 50,-/single,.....USD 65,-/double ________Kupa Hotel,.....USD 30,-/single,.....USD 40,-/double Hotel extras will be paid directly to the hotel reception. Room Reservation Name:____________________ Sharing With:_________________ Arrival Date:________/______/1994 Departure Date:______/______/1994 Please check one of the following: - 1 person, one bed - 2 persons, double beds - 2 persons, twin beds Do you have a special accommodation request (e.g. no-smoking room)? _______________________________________________ Suites (extra cost)?___________________________ Please describe disability/handicap needs:_________________________________________ ______I am arranging my own accommodation. Accommodation Deposit: Your room reservation can be guaranteed by either of the following methods: 1. Complete the Credit Card Authorization section of this form. This is the easiest way to guarantee your reservation. 2. Send one night's hotel fee along with the registration fee, if other payment methods are used. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL INFORMATION OFFICIAL CARRIER INET'94/JENC5 appointed CSA (Czechoslovak Airlines) as official carrier of the conference. CSA has guaranteed to provide the lowest available fare at the time your ticket is issued. Please contact CSA representatives in your countries together with the confirmation of paid registration fee. An Information desk of CSA will be open at the Palace of Culture during the Conference period. E-MAIL FACILITIES AT INET'94/JENC5 Internet access will be available at the Conference Location (Palace of Culture) beginning on Tuesday, 14 until Friday, 17 1994. PASSPORT AND VISA REQUIREMENTS All foreign visitors entering the Czech Republic must possess a passport valid for at least the next 6 months. Participants requiring a visa should apply immediately to consular offices of the Czech Republic or diplomatic missions in their country (in order to avoid delays in travel to the conference). CURRENCY / CREDIT CARDS The unit of currency is Czech crown (Kc) which subdivided into 100 hallers (h). International credit cards are accepted for payment in most hotels, restaurants and shops. The exchange rate (February 1994): approx. $ 1,- is Kc 32. TRANSPORTATION The transport in Prague is organized by means of buses, trams and Metro (subway). One ride-ticket costs Kc 6,- and is valid for all means of transport. Individual tickets as well as 'travel passports' are available at all tobacconists' shops, newspaper stands or at hotel desks. Prague Metro is quite a new one and very efficient. At peak hours there is a train every 1 or 2 minutes, off-peak at least every 10 minutes. CLIMATE AND CLOTHING Prague has a continental climate. In June the average temperature is about 20 C ( 68 F ). There might be an occasional shower, therefore it is advisable to bring a jacket, a sweater and an umbrella. VOLTAGE 220 V SOCKETS AND PLUGS European norm; three - prong grounded plugs. ACCESS TO THE CONFERENCE SITE The Palace of Culture is located approximately 25 kilometers west of the airport. Taxis (about Kc 500,-) are available to take you to the Congress Venue. PRAGUE is like a history lesson come true. As you walk among the long stone palaces or across the 'Charles Bridge', with Smetana's Vltava flowing below and pointed towers all around, you will feel as if history had stopped somewhere back in the 18th century. Goethe called Prague the 'prettiest gem in the stone crown of the world'. This cultural center of Europe is famous for its architectural treasures that have been so well preserved. Its wealth can be gathered from the diversity and quantity of the many Romanesque monuments and its Gothic town planning. In time new styles developed, like Baroque and later on Art Nouveau. The countenance of Prague reflects every cultural period and all the different artistic styles. Musical life is a deeply rooted tradition in Prague. One only needs to remember the names of the two greatest Czech composers, Antonin Dvorak and Bedrich Smetana. Their music can still be heard. It is said that it is an advantage to be a foreigner in Prague. The renowned Slavonic hospitality manifests itself in Prague at every step. A lot of traditional Czech products are offered, like crystal, porcelain, earthenware, but also CDs, and illustrated art books. The national beverages like beer and sliwowitz are worth a try and restaurants offer a wide variety of food. Prague is ready to welcome its visitors and let you share in the experience of 'awakening to a beautiful dream'. TOURS Saturday - Sunday, June 11 - 12, 1994 Pre-congress Tour: West Bohemian Spa Triangle departure at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, June 11 from Palace of Culture, arrival at 7:00 p.m. on Sunday, June 12 to Palace of Culture ........... single room USD 252,- ........... double room USD 231,- Tour to the so-called West Bohemian Triangle - Karlovy Vary, Marianske Lazne and Frantiskovy Lazne. You will be accommodated in the most famous of these spas in Karlovy Vary, founded more than 600 years ago by Charles IV, King of Bohemia. The colonnades with mineral water springs are incorporated into a beautiful natural background of greenery. Accommodation will be arranged at the Pupp Hotel - a hotel located in the spa area and with a famous past dating back to the early 18th century. During the walking tour you can taste mineral waters and the popular Czech elixir Becher Liqueur. You will also visit the ancient royal town Cheb with the unique architectonic group of medieval houses called Spalicek. Saturday - Monday, June 11 - 13,1994 Pre-congress Tour: Vienna - South Moravia - Prague Meeting point 1:00 p.m., Saturday, June 11 at a hotel in Vienna, Austria, return 7:00 p.m., Monday, June 13 to the Palace of Culture, Prague ........... single room USD 480,- ........... double room USD 440,- A combined 3-days tour to South Moravia and to the capital of Austria, Vienna. You will see the main sights of this beautiful city (Schonbrunn, Hofburg, Ringstrasse, Prater and more) and in the evening you can taste Austrian wine in a traditional wine restaurant. Accommodation is in a 4 star hotel in the centre of the city. Then you will continue to the picturesque region of South Moravia in the Czech Republic. This region has always boasted its good wine, charming national songs and dulcimer music. You will visit the historical towns Telc and Brno. Telc, with its unique medieval houses and a beautiful Renaissance chateau, is protected by UNESCO. Brno, the largest city in South Moravia, is well-known not only for its historical monuments, but also for its international trade fairs. Accommodation is also in a 4 star hotel in Brno. The last day after the sightseeing tour of Brno you will enjoy a romantic boat trip through the magnificent stalagtite Punkva caves in the Moravian Karst near town. A professional Guarant guide will provide entertaining and informative narration throughout the tour. Tuesday, June 14, 1994 and Thursday, June 16 1994 City Tour: Prague Castle and Mala Strana (9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.), USD 13,- per person You will see the main attractions of Prague Castle (including St. Vitus Cathedral from the 14th century, the Royal Palace, Golden Lane) and the beautiful historical district under the Castle called Little Town (Mala Strana). Tuesday, June 14, 1994 and Thursday, June 16 1994 Konopiste Chateau (9:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.), USD 24,- per person A magnificent castle situated about 40 km southeast of Prague. The last private owner was Archduke Franz Ferdinand d'Este, successor to the Austrian throne (assassinated in Sarajevo in 1914). The castle is situated in a lovely park and contains extensive collections of historical weapons, hunting trophies, china and other artifacts. Wednesday, June 15, 1994 and Friday, June 17 1994 City Tour: The Old Town and Jewish Prague (9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.), USD 13,- per person You will enjoy the Old Town Square with famous astronomical clock, Town Hall and the Prague Ghetto with several Synagogues and the Jewish Cemetery. Wednesday, June 15, 1994 Karlstejn Castle (9:30 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.), USD 23,- per person Karlstejn Castle (35 km to the south-west of Prague) is the most visited castle in the Czech Republic. The castle, originally built in the 14th century by Charles IV to house the coronation jewels, is situated in a lovely, romantic landscape amidst deep forest. The castle tour lets you enjoy the interiors including the Royal Palace and the original bedroom of Charles IV. Thursday, June 16, 1994 An Evening in Prague's Oldest Brewery "U Fleku" (8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.), USD 25,- per person Songs, traditional Czech cuisine, and world-famous Czech dark beer in the spirit of Prague during the turn of the century. Thursday, June 16, 1994 An Evening in the wine cellar "U Pastyrky" (8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.), USD 23,- per person Enjoy traditional atmosphere, Gypsy music, the hearty dry Moravian red and white wines and a delicious dinner cooked over an open fire. Thursday, June 16, 1994 State Opera (7:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.), USD 20,- per person Verdi - IL TROVATORE Saturday - Sunday, June 18 - 19, 1994 Post-Congress Tour: Treasure of South Bohemia Departure 8:30 a.m. on Saturday 18, from Palace of Culture, return 7:00 p.m. on Sunday 19, to Palace of Culture ........... single room USD 205,- ........... double room USD 184,- South Bohemia is the region everybody likes to return to. It offers more than 15.000 works of architecture, including castles, chateaux, monasteries and historical towns. The natural riches of South Bohemia are also immeasurable. You will enjoy the most impressive and interesting of these monuments, Hluboka Castle. It is built in a beautiful Tudor Gothic style and is filled with sumptuous tapestries, wood carvings, china, pictures and old weapons. Ceske Budejovice is a South Bohemian metropolis and the protected urban reservation was founded in the 13th century. Zlata Koruna, a monastery, is also from the 13th century. Cesky Krumlov considered to be the best-preserved Renaissance town in Central Europe, is protected by UNESCO. Trebon is a small picturesque town with the atmosphere of the Middle Ages, here you can rest for a while on the banks of the loveliest South-Bohemian fishpond. You will be accommodated in a 4 star hotel in Ceske Budejovice, while in the evening dinner will be served in a traditional Czech restaurant. A great deal of walking is involved, so please wear comfortable shoes. Saturday - Monday, June 18 - 20, 1994 Post-Congress Tour: Prague - North Moravia - Budapest Departure 8:00 a.m. on Saturday 18, from Palace of Culture, tour ends at 1:00 p.m. on Monday 20, in Budapest, Hungary ........... single room USD 492,- ............ double room USD 432,- This Tour will show you the main attractions and natural beauties of Northern Moravia. Olomouc with its 200 architectural sights, is second only to Prague as a conservation area. At Sternberk Castle you will enjoy the interesting clock museum. You will also visit the open-air museum in Roznov pod Radhostem, set in delightful mountain scenery. The second day we welcome you to Budapest, the capital of Hungary, where you can see all the main sights (including Herous Square with its Millenium Monument, Matthias Church and the Fishermen's Bastion in the Castle area). You will spend the evening in a traditional hungarian wine cellar with folklore show and wine-tasting. Accommodation is in a 4-star hotel. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOUR RESERVATION FORM Payment Policy: Full payment must be received by May 1, 1994 to confirm your reservation. Requests for refunds must be received 10 days prior to the tour. No refunds if cancellation is received later than 10 days prior to the tour. To cancel, send fax or write c/o the address noted below. A minimum of 15 persons is required for the operation of tours. Full refunds will be issued if the minimum number of registrants is not met. Name:___________________________________________________Phone:___________ Address:_________________________________________________________________ City:________________________State:________ZIP:____Country:______________ Credit Card:______________VISA,____________AMEX,______________Master Card Credit Card Number:______________________________________________________ Expiry Date:_____________________________________________________________ Name on Credit Card (if different)_______________________________________ Saturday - Sunday, June 11 - 12, 1994 Pre-congress Tour: West Bohemian Spa Triangle Departure at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, June 11 from Palace of Culture, arrival at 7:00 p.m. on Sunday, June 12 to Palace of Culture ______Tickets at USD 252,- / single room ______Tickets at USD 231,- / double room Saturday - Monday, June 11 - 13, 1994 Pre-congress Tour: Vienna - South Moravia - Prague Meeting point at 1:00 p.m. on Saturday, June 11 at hotel in Vienna, Austria arrival at 7:00 p.m. on Monday, June 13 to Palace of Culture. ______Tickets at USD 480,- / single room ______Tickets at USD 440,- / double room Tuesday, June 14, 1994 City Tour: Prague Castle and Mala Strana, 9:00 a.m. - 1.00 p.m. _______Tickets at USD 13,- per person Tuesday, June 14, 1994 Konopiste Chateau, 9:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 24,- per person Wednesday, June 15, 1994 City Tour: The Old Town and Jewish Ghetto, 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 13,- per person Wednesday, June 15, 1994 Karlstejn Castle, 9:30 a.m. - 1.:30 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 23,- per person Thursday, June 16, 1994 City Tour: Prague Castle and Mala Strana, 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 13,- per person Thursday, June 16, 1994 Konopiste Chateau, 9:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 24,- per person Thursday, June 16, 1994 An Evening in Prague's Oldest Brewery 'U Fleku', 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 25,- per person Thursday, June 16, 1994 An Evening in the wine cellar 'U Pastyrky', 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 23,- per person Thursday, June 16, 1994 State Opera, 7:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 20,- per person Friday, June 17, 1994 City Tour: Old Town and Jewish Ghetto, 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. ______Tickets at USD 13,- per person Saturday - Sunday, June 18 - 19, 1994 Post-Congress Tour: Treasure of South Bohemia Departure at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday 18, from Palace of Culture, arrival at 7:00 p.m. on Sunday 19, to Palace of Culture. ______ Tickets at USD 205,- / single room ______ Tickets at USD 184,- / double room Saturday - Monday, June 18 - 20, 1994 Post-Congress Tour: Prague - North Moravia - Budapest Departure at 8:00 a.m. on Saturday 18, from Palace of Culture, the end of Tour at 1:00 p.m. on Monday 20, in Budapest. ______Tickets at USD 492,- / single room ______Tickets at USD 432,- / double room Mail to: INET'94/JENC5 GUARANT Ltd. Opletalova 15 Praha l, 110 00 Czech Republic Tel. +42-2-24210650/24210735 Fax. +42-2-260130 . From szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl Wed Mar 16 12:26:00 1994 Received: from galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA29569; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:08:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by uci.agh.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13610; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:15:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:15:13 +0100 From: szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl (Szymon Sokol) Message-Id: <9403161115.AA13610@uci.agh.edu.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: news transfer - metody >Oficjalne stanowisko NASK, ktore przed chwila poznalem, jest >w tej kwestii nastepujace: > >mamy standardowa konfiguracje, ktora nie bedzie zmieniana. Dlatego >nie bedziemy stosowac UUCP over TCP. Przepraszam, kto przedstawil to "oficjalne stanowisko NASK"?! Przy okazji: Krakow mial ostatnio problemy z newsfeedem, spowodowane ponoc faktem, ze modemy obslugujace linie Krakow-Warszawa desynchronizuja sie przy przesylaniu dluzszych ciagow identycznych znakow. Poniewaz pliki skompresowane na ogol takich ciagow nie zawieraja, mogloby to nas uratowac... Pomijam juz oszczednosc przepustowosci, jakkolwiek to tez na pewno robiloby roznice przy naszym 64kb. Szymon Sokol -- Network Manager U U M M M M University of Mining and Metallurgy, Computer Center U U MM MM MM MM ave. Mickiewicza 30, 30-059 Krakow, POLAND U U M M M M M M M M TEL. +48 12 338100 EXT. 2885 FAX +48 12 338907 UUUUU M M M M M M finger szymon@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl for PGP key WWW page: http://www.uci.agh.edu.pl/~szymon From rzm@oso.chalmers.se Wed Mar 16 13:17:06 1994 Received: from [192.36.125.2] by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA00316; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:55:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chalmers.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.4/2.03) id NAA01780; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:01:50 +0100 Received: from oden.oso.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA19866; Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:01:49 +0100 Received: by oden.oso.chalmers.se (5.64/0.0) id AA18262; Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:01:48 +0100 From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) Message-Id: <9403161201.AA18262@oden.oso.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:01:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403161128.aa28461@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Maciek Uhlig" at Mar 16, 94 12:00:21 pm X-Acknowledge-To: Latin-Date: Miercuri XVI Martie A.D. MCMXCIV X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1131 Maciek Uhlig writes: > > Ktory public domain TCP/IP software dla PC jest (juz) spolonizowany? > > I w jakim sensie? > Zaden oczywiscie. Mialem na mysli, ze gdyby uzywac software'u po angielsku, > to lepiej za niego nie placic w ogole. Linux umozliwia uzywanie polskich liter na ekranie (ISO Latin 2) i klawiaturze (uklad programisty). Wystarczy zaladowac font, uklad klawiatury i translacje (pakiet ftp.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/kbd-0.85.tar.gz), a telnet i rlogin sa 8-bitowe oczywiscie. > Nota bene mam informacje z Minnesoty, ze ich Minuet ma byc docelowo > zrobiony tak, ze wszystkie teksty beda w oddzielnych plikach po to, by > mozna je bylo samodzielnie lokalizowac. Mozliwosc zmiany tekstow to nie wszystko. Pozostaje kwestia fontu i klawiatury. Wiele programow, zwlaszcza dla MS-DOS, uzywa Alt-Klawisz, co uniemozliwia korzystanie z ukladu klawiatury programisty. R. -- Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se rzm@mat.uni.torun.pl <-finger for public snail: Omgangen 464-82, 412-80 Goteborg, Sweden; tel: +46-31-7780831 key Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. Lec From @IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de Wed Mar 16 13:17:24 1994 Received: from ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA00229; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:52:07 +0100 Return-Path: <@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de:amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Received: from mpifrrouter by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:35:37 MEZ Received: from sun72.mpifr by mpifrrouter (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06477; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:34:19 +0100 Received: by sun72.mpifr (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA20376; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:34:57 +0100 From: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Andrzej Marecki) Message-Id: <9403161134.AA20376@sun72.mpifr> Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:34:57 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403161128.aa28461@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Maciek Uhlig" at Mar 16, 94 11:59:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1995 > W oryginalnej dokumentacji jest kopalnia wiedzy. Nic by sie nie stalo, > gdyby byla przetlumaczona w calosci. Kto? Za ile? To sprawa ATM (glownie) > i KBN. Ludzi ci w Polsce dostatek, ktorzy moga tlumaczyc. Zgadzam sie, ze jest to "kopalnia wiedzy". Mam te ksiazke, czytam, doceniam. Ale komu ona jest glownie potrzebna? Administratorowi lub tp. "guru". A ten zna (powinien znac) jezyk. Uzytkownik _akademicki_ nie znajacy angielskiego, to jest (powinna byc :-) rzadkosc. Uzytkownik akademicki nie znajacy angielskiego, a potrzebujacy pelnego spektrum wiedzy "kopalnianej" to juz zupelnie egzotyczna krzyzowka. Reasumujac: 1. OK. Mozna by przetlumaczyc jakis fragment z cyklu "Getting started" i zrobic z tego broszurke dla tych, ktorzy chca zwyczajnie "zapuszczac" telnet i ftp a zwlasza aplikacje okienkowe. W razie pytan i problemow ktos taki idzie do guru, ktory zna i tajniki sofware'u i jezyk. 2. Upieram sie, ze tlumaczenie _calej_ dokumentacji jest postulatem chybionym. Jesli nawet znajda sie pieniadze na cos takiego i ludzie chetni do ich zainkasowania, to jeszcze pozostaje kwestia czasu. Taka operacja znacznie opozni dystrubucje. A potrzebna jest malo komu. Owszem mozna posadzic setke tlumaczy i kazac im zrobic to w tydzien, ale taki przeklad na chybcika bedzie niespojny i malo wiarygodny. Ja np. i tak bede siegal do oryginalu. Andrzej -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrzej Marecki | Internet: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de | Phone: +49 228 525356 | Snail mail: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie | Postfach 2024, 53010 Bonn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If probability of intelligent life is zero, this means we are not here. Or that we are not intelligent." - David Florez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rzm@oso.chalmers.se Wed Mar 16 13:37:05 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA00850; Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:34:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chalmers.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.4/2.03) id NAA02526; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:06:42 +0100 Received: from oden.oso.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA19960; Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:06:40 +0100 Received: by oden.oso.chalmers.se (5.64/0.0) id AA18285; Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:06:39 +0100 From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) Message-Id: <9403161206.AA18285@oden.oso.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: news transfer - metody To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 13:06:38 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403161139.aa29062@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Maciek Uhlig" at Mar 16, 94 11:46:49 am X-Acknowledge-To: Latin-Date: Miercuri XVI Martie A.D. MCMXCIV X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1506 Maciek Uhlig writes: > Wyobrazcie sobie, ze macie szybkie serwery newsow polaczone wolnymi > liniami telefonicznymi (sytuacja typowa dla Polski). I chcecie transferowac > ile sie tylko da. Naturalne jest, ze dazylibyscie do kompresji > transferowanych batchow (bo normalnie transferowany jest czysty tekst > ASCII). Rozwiazaniem jest zastosowanie UUCP over TCP, ktora to konfiguracja > umozliwia transfer batchow kompresowanych za pomoca compress czy gzip. > Oficjalne stanowisko NASK, ktore przed chwila poznalem, jest > w tej kwestii nastepujace: > mamy standardowa konfiguracje, ktora nie bedzie zmieniana. Dlatego > nie bedziemy stosowac UUCP over TCP. Zdaje mi sie, ze mozna kompresowac w standardowym inn-ie. Czy ktos moze podac szczegoly? > OK, dopasuje sie. Tylko zamiast darmowego rozwiazania, ktore > zmniejsza objetosc przesylanych plikow 4-krotnie, kupie sobie > High Speed Serial i wynajme lacze 2 MB. W sumie ze 100.000.000 zl plus > oplaty dzierzawne za lacze co miesiac. Nie ma sprawy - KBN zaplaci... > Albo poczekam cierpliwie, az Pagesat zawiesi satelite nad Europa > i umozliwi mi feed bezposrednio ze zrodla. A rozwazasz mozliwosc dzwonienia do EU-NETu w Warszawie? Czy ktos sie orientuje czy EU-NET juz faktycznie zaczal dzialalnosc? R. -- Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se rzm@mat.uni.torun.pl <-finger for public snail: Omgangen 464-82, 412-80 Goteborg, Sweden; tel: +46-31-7780831 key Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. Lec From rzm@oso.chalmers.se Sun Mar 20 05:27:58 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA10713; Sun, 20 Mar 94 05:14:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chalmers.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.7/2.03) id FAA00802; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 05:14:53 +0100 Received: from oden.oso.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA07769; Sun, 20 Mar 94 05:14:44 +0100 Received: by oden.oso.chalmers.se (5.64/0.0) id AA23823; Sun, 20 Mar 94 05:14:39 +0100 From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) Message-Id: <9403200414.AA23823@oden.oso.chalmers.se> Subject: Polskie_Zasoby_Sieciowe_1.55S Sun Mar 20 05:14:37 MET 1994 To: net-l@vm.cc.uni.torun.pl, poland-l@ubvm.bitnet, polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl (Lista dla polipow), ciuw-l@plearn.edu.pl, bial@plearn.edu.pl, plotki@ia.pw.edu.pl (Lista dla plotkarzy), decnet-pl@plpotu51.bitnet, soc-culture-polish@cs.utexas.edu, plearn-l@ubvm.bitnet Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 05:14:38 +0100 (MET) Latin-Date: Duminice XX Martie A.D. 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Czy ktos wie cos o oprogramowaniau NFS server na Windows 3.1. -- Pozdrowienia Andrzej Bednarek abednare@cc1.p.lodz.pl abednare@plearn.bitnet From myszka@ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl Tue Mar 22 07:27:31 1994 Received: from ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA08104; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:17:23 +0100 Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403220617.AA08104@zsku.p.lodz.pl> Received: by ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl (16.8/16.2) id AA24792; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:19:08 +0100 From: Wojciech A. Myszka Subject: Re: NFS server To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 7:19:08 MET In-Reply-To: <9403211556.aa10355@cc1.cc1.p.lodz.pl>; from "Andrzej Bednarek" at Mar 21, 94 4:09 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] > > Czesc! > Czy ktos wie cos o oprogramowaniau NFS server na Windows 3.1. > > -- --- polecam czytanie zbiorow faq (Frequently Asked Questions) grup newsowych comp.protocols.nfs i comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc zawieraja ogroma ilosc informacji na ten temat. Mozna je znalezc (via gopher) na komputerze ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl URL gopher://ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl:70/00/pub/internet_info/pcnfs.faq (niestety nie najnowsza wersja) URL: gopher://ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl:70/00/pub/internet_info/tcpip.faq (tez nie najnowsza wersja) lub URL: gopher://ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl:70/0ftp%3aftp.ict.pwr.wroc.pl%40/pub/faq/727 (najnowsza wersja) Streszczajac informacje: mozna korzystac z pakietu PD SOSS (dostepnego w TRICKLE@PLEARN.BITNET) a takze we wszystkich wezlach odbijajacycg simtel (moje uwagi: spisue sie niezle przy kontaktach PC-UNIX; gozej PC-PC nie korzystalem pod Windows; wiem ze mozna) lub z komercyjnego pakietu Chameleon NFS (ponoc dobry - nie mialem okazji korzystac) > > > Pozdrowienia > Andrzej Bednarek > abednare@cc1.p.lodz.pl > abednare@plearn.bitnet > Pozdrowienia Wojtek -- Wojciech A. Myszka myszka@ldhpux.immt.pwr.wroc.pl Technical University of Wroclaw, Institute of Material Science and Technical Mechanics, Smoluchowskiego str. 25 50-370 Wroclaw, Poland, tel. (+48 71) 21-50-28, fax () 21-12-35 -- GOVERNMENT ECONOMIST VIRUS: Nothing works, but all your diagnostic software says everything is fine. From mpokul@lksu.ippt.gov.pl Tue Mar 22 09:07:31 1994 Received: from lksu.ippt.gov.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA08960; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:48:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by lksu.ippt.gov.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00972; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:50:08 +0100 Organization: Institute of Fundamental Technological Research Address: Swietokrzyska 21, 00-049 Warszawa, POLAND Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:50:08 +0100 From: mpokul@lksu.ippt.gov.pl (Marek Pokulniewicz) Message-Id: <9403220750.AA00972@lksu.ippt.gov.pl> To: abednare@cc1.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: NFS server Cc: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl >Czesc! > Czy ktos wie cos o oprogramowaniau NFS server na Windows 3.1. > >-- > > > Pozdrowienia > Andrzej Bednarek > abednare@cc1.p.lodz.pl > abednare@plearn.bitnet Czesc, Jest NFS client Windows w ftp.microsoft.com.Jest tes server w nimbus.anu.edu.au i calosc nazywa sie SMB. Marek Pokulniewicz mpokul@ippt.gov.pl From antek@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl Tue Mar 22 18:27:39 1994 Received: from alfa.camk.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA12201; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:24:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl by alfa.camk.edu.pl (5.65b/RP-1.2) id AA29786; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:26:48 +0100 Received: by asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl (5.61/1.34) id AA29882; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:31:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:31:48 +0100 From: antek@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl (Antek Laczkowski) Message-Id: <9403221731.AA29882@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl> To: polip@camk.edu.pl Subject: Dziwne wolny ftp Czesc! Po zamontowaniu przez nas modemow 57600 bauds pomiedzy Geologia i Matematyka "ping" daje ok 30ms, telnet, mail dziala ok, natomiast ftp jest POTWORNIE !!! wolne i czesto sie rwie po paru kB. Dlaczego ?? Czy moze to miec cos wspolnego z dlugoscia pakietu ? Jak to sprawdzic/zmienic ? Pozdrowienia -- Antek Laczkowski (antek@biogeo.uw.edu.pl) From yppawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl Wed Mar 23 08:47:34 1994 Received: from nms.cyf-kr.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA15624; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:32:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from isc.cyf-kr.edu.pl by nms.cyf-kr.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00594; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:34:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:10:56 +0200 From: yppawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl (Jerzy Pawlus) Message-Id: <9403230710.AA00403@isc.cyf-kr.edu.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl In-Reply-To: Antek Laczkowski's message of Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:40:37 +0100 <9403221731.AA29882@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl> Subject: Dziwne wolny ftp > > Po zamontowaniu przez nas modemow 57600 bauds pomiedzy Geologia i Matematyka > "ping" daje ok 30ms, telnet, mail dziala ok, natomiast ftp jest POTWORNIE !!! > wolne i czesto sie rwie po paru kB. Dlaczego ?? Czy moze to miec cos wspolnego > z dlugoscia pakietu ? Jak to sprawdzic/zmienic ? > Jakie to sa modemy? Jurek From Michal.Jankowski@fuw.edu.pl Wed Mar 23 10:27:34 1994 Received: from cocos.fuw.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA16588; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:17:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from ccfs1 (ccfs1.fuw.edu.pl) by cocos.fuw.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11546; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:19:40 +0100 Received: by ccfs1 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01635; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:19:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:19:39 +0100 From: Michal.Jankowski@fuw.edu.pl Message-Id: <9403230919.AA01635@ccfs1> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl In-Reply-To: <9403221731.AA29882@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl> (antek@asp.biogeo.uw.edu.pl) Subject: Re: Dziwne wolny ftp Jezeli to sa modemy Goramo, to wlozyc je pod walec drogowy i kupic nowe, inne. Jezli to sa inne modemy, to powinno dzialac. Ew. przelacz na polowe szybkosci i zobacz, jak sie zmieni. MJ From piotrwi Wed Mar 23 12:07:34 1994 Received: by zsku.p.lodz.pl (5.65/25-eef) id AA17876; Wed, 23 Mar 94 11:48:14 +0100 Return-Path: From: Piotr Wilk Message-Id: <9403231048.AA17876@zsku.p.lodz.pl> Subject: Re: Dziwne wolny ftp To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 11:48:10 +0100 (MEZ) In-Reply-To: <9403230919.AA01635@ccfs1> from "Michal.Jankowski@fuw.edu.pl" at Mar 23, 94 10:28:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 990 > Jezeli to sa modemy Goramo, to wlozyc je pod walec drogowy i kupic > nowe, inne. Jezli to sa inne modemy, to powinno dzialac. Ew. przelacz > na polowe szybkosci i zobacz, jak sie zmieni. Mialem podobna sytuacje. Linia dierzawiona, modemy Goramo 9600, 2 PC z KA9Q. Ping i telnet jakos szly a FTP stawal nawet na najmniejszych zbiorach. Okazalo sie, ze winne byly PC - bardzo stare AT 286. Po ich wymianie wszystko jest OK. Pozdrawiam, Piotrek -------------------------------------------------------------- | Piotr Wilk | |------------------------------------------------------------| | Laboratory of Computer | email: | | Networks | piotrwi@zsku.p.lodz.pl | | Technical University | piotrwi at plearn | | of Lodz | | -------------------------------------------------------------- From JALOCHA@chopin.ifj.edu.pl Wed Mar 23 14:07:34 1994 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA19644; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:04:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chopin.ifj.edu.pl by dxmint.cern.ch (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02422; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:54:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:50 GMT+1 From: JALOCHA@chopin.ifj.edu.pl Subject: Re: Dziwne wolny ftp To: polip Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: @DXMINT.CERN.CH:polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl X-Vms-To: IN%"<@DXMINT.CERN.CH:polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl>" Antek, pusc pinga "wielokrotnego" aby zobaczyc jaki procent pakietow wraca (lub nie wraca...). Wykonaj to na kilku roznych dlugosciach pakietow od zera do 1500 bajtow. Przyslij wyniki na liste i to bedzie dobry punkt wyjscia do postawienia diagnozy... Pawel From mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl Wed Mar 23 14:07:40 1994 Received: from lnx1.boa.uni.torun.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA19653; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:06:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from mc10.boa.uni.torun.pl (mc10 [158.75.3.9]) by boa.uni.torun.pl (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA00716; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:21:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:21:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199403230721.IAA00716@boa.uni.torun.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software From: mc10@lnx1.boa.uni.torun.pl (Marek Czubenko) Reply-To: mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl Cc: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de > From: Maciek Uhlig > To: amarecki@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de > Subject: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Lista na temat polskiego Internetu > > Wlasnie dostalem z firmy ATM pismo, w ktorym ATM proponuje, ze > dokona hurtowych zakupow programu PC/TCP firmy FTP Software dla > srodowiska akademickiego, przy czym prawdopodobne jest dofinansowanie > zakupu przez KBN do 99% calkowitych kosztow zakupu. > > Nie ukrywam, ze propozycja jest atrakcyjna z uwagi na jakosc tego > oprogramowania (sam bym wzial na takich warunkach ze 200 licencji), > ale w tej sytuacji mam kolejna propozycje: > aby firma ATM przed ta akcja postarala sie o polonizacje oprogramowania. > Gdyby mialo ono byc rozprowadzane w wersji angielskiej, to nadal > preferowalbym software public domain. > > Kopie tegoz przesylam do ATM: kasia@atm.com.pl > i do KBN: gorazi@plearn.edu.pl > > Maciek > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University > Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND > Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) > Fax: +48 (32) 596847 > ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** > > > Dostalem wlasnie informacje o ew. zakupie PCTCP f-my FTP software dla srodowiska akademickiego wobec tego pozwalam sobie wrzucic tu swoje trzy grosze. Zazwyczaj wobec mozliwosci zakupu jakiegos produktu warto rowniez przed podjeciem decyzji zorientowac sie co "w tym temacie" oferuje konkurencja i przyjrzec sie relacji "price/performance". Mam w zwiazku z tym propozycje, aby przed takim zakupem rozeznac rowniez produkty konkurencyjne. Takim konkurencyjnym produktem moglby byc produkt Digital Equipment Corporation pn. Pathworks. Podstawowa zaleta pozamerytoryczna Pathworkow jest ich cena (dla srodowisk akademickich 22 USD per PC. Dla porownanie cena FTP startuje z poziomu mniej wiecej 130 USD, za tyle rok temu kupowalismy 30 licencji i to juz byla cena obnizona, ostatnio pojedyncze egzemplarze oferowano za cene ok. 200 USD (w obu przypadkach nalezy uwzglednic VAT). Jezeli informacja o dofinansowaniu przez KBN by sie potwierdzila, to przy dofinansowaniu 99% zaspokojenie najbardziej wyuzdanych potrzeb kosztowaloby per PC ponizej jednego USD w przypadku Pathworkow i wydajac te same pieniadze moznaby zaspokoic kilkakrotnie! wiecej uzytkownikow niz kupujac FTP PCTCP. Nie chcialbym rozpisywac sie na temat zalet i wad obu produktow, bo w miare kompetentnie moglbym cos powiedziec nt. FTP (uzywam od roku), a Pathworkom moglem sie dopiero przyjrzec na tyle, by uzyskac w miare sensowne pierwsze wrazenie. Wada (o ile jest to wada) Pathworkow jest brak realizacji NFS, za to te funkcje przejmuje oprogramowanie serwera lub oprogramowanie protokolu Lan Managera. Kwestia polonizacji jest w obu przypadkach na analogicznym poziomie, tj. polskie litery z Latin 2 (IBM/Microsoft) sa mapowane na ISO Latin 2 w PC i ew. w UNIXie trzeba zrobic operacje odwrotna lub stosowac ISO Latin 2 (ISO 8859-2). W przypadku oprogramowania public domain w wiekszosci przypadkow tez daje sie uzyskac polskie litery stosujac mapping kosow, czyli tez tak jak to proponuje FTP oraz Digital. Temu problemowi poswiecilem dosc duzo uwagi i czsu i z moich doswiadczen wynika, ze innej mozliwosci nie ma; winowajca jest tu prawdopodobnie support VT-125, ktory zagarnia przestrzen kodowa w obszarze 0x80 - 0x9f, a wszystkie (oprocz ISO Latin 2) standardy polskich liter tez wykorzystuja powyzszy obszar. Pathworki maja jeszcze znacznie milsze ftp (przezucanie mysza z jednej kolumny do drugiej i juz, choc brak tu rozwiniecia tree structure tj. widoczne sa tylko aktualne katalogi, ale to nie jest wada produktu tylko wynika to z faktu, ze wspolpracuje sie przeciez np.z "glupim" ftp na hoscie oddalonym, a ftp udostepnia uzytkownikowi w trakcie sesji dwa katalogi biezace (lokalny i zdalny), wiec takie rozwiazanie jest zgodne z filozofia ftp, choc zapewne mozliwe jest zaimplementowanie dostepu do drzew. Poza tym Pathworki maja na pokladzie DOSowski X-terminal. Wersja Windowsowa X-terminala dla ewentualnych wybrednych jest dostepna jako odrebny produkt, ktory moze dzialac w srodowisku Pathworkowym (ale nie tylko) za 50 USD per PC. Jeszcze jedna uwaga: swiat TCP jest jednym z czterech swiatow ktore moga byc integrowane przez Pathworki ( pozostale to oczywiscie DECNET, Novell oraz NET BUI, a wiec sieci oparte na serwerach OS/2 i np. Windows for Workgroups). Z powyzszego juz dobitnie wynika, ze moze byc to propozycja b. konkurencyjna wobec FTP Software i warto sie jej przyjrzec blizej. Oczywiscie nie jest to jedyna konkurencyjna propozycja. Mysle, ze warto podjac dyskusje na ten temat. -- Marek Czubenko Uniwersytet M. Kopernika Zespol Pelnomocnika Rektora ds. Komputeryzacji Uczelni tel. +14-510, fax +21224 email: Internet: mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl czubenko@boa.uni.torun.pl bitnet: czubenko@pltumk11.bitnet Kopie niniejszego (ew. opatrzone preambulami) wysylam do: 1. KBN - gorazi@plearn.edu.pl 2. DEC - zbigniew.borowiec@rpw.mtu.dec.com 3. muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl From dorota@math.amu.edu.pl Wed Mar 23 15:27:35 1994 Received: from math.amu.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA21458; Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:25:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by math.amu.edu.pl (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07493; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:29:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:27:54 CST From: "Dorota Nicewicz" Message-Id: <67349.dorota@math.amu.edu.pl> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_14.1 Reply-To: X-Popmail-Charset: English To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: propozycja zakupu oprogramowania firmy FTP Software >Mam w zwiazku z tym propozycje, aby przed takim zakupem rozeznac >rowniez produkty konkurencyjne. Takim konkurencyjnym produktem >moglby byc produkt Digital Equipment Corporation pn. Pathworks. Wedlug mnie trudno tu mowic o konkurencji, jako, ze oprogramowanie PC/TCP jest samodzielnym oprogramowaniem (peer to peer) natomiast Pathworks to siec lokalna (client - server). >Podstawowa zaleta pozamerytoryczna Pathworkow jest ich cena (dla >srodowisk akademickich 22 USD per PC. Dla porownanie cena FTP >startuje z poziomu mniej wiecej 130 USD, za tyle rok temu kupowalismy >30 licencji i to juz byla cena obnizona, ostatnio pojedyncze >egzemplarze oferowano za cene ok. 200 USD (w obu przypadkach nalezy >uwzglednic VAT). Czy cena ta dotyczy licencji servera w przeliczeniu na jedna stacje? Dotychczas dostepny byl server Pathworkow pracujacy w systemie VMS (VAX) lub Ultrix (DECstations), byc moze dostepne juz jest oprogramowanie dla DEC-owskiej implementacji OSF/1. W jaki sposob mozna porownac koszty PC/TCP z kosztami Pathworks skoro do ich instalacji potrzebny jest server, a dla niego odpowiedni sprzet np. VAX lub DECstations? >Nie chcialbym rozpisywac sie na temat zalet i wad obu produktow, >bo w miare kompetentnie moglbym cos powiedziec nt. FTP (uzywam od roku), >a Pathworkom moglem sie dopiero przyjrzec na tyle, by uzyskac >w miare sensowne pierwsze wrazenie. Wada (o ile jest to wada) Pathworkow >jest brak realizacji NFS, za to te funkcje przejmuje oprogramowanie >serwera lub oprogramowanie protokolu Lan Managera. W sytuacji rosnacej ilosci hostow unixowych w polskim internecie dostep z PC, poprzez NFS do zasobow tychze hostow wydaje sie bardzo istotna zaleta PC/TCP. Pathworki posiadaja inne zalety: dostep do uslug LAT i LAD. Inna kwestia jest latwosc obslugi oprogramowania, nie posiadam doswiadczen w pracy z PC/TCP, natomiast moje wrazenia z pracy z Pathworks (v.4.1a) sa zdecydowanie negatywne. Dostepna mi do tej pory wersja odznacza sie dosc dlugim czasem ladowania i zajmuje zbyt duzo miejsca w pamieci PC. Byc moze nowa wersja tego oprogramowania zostala pod tym wzgledem poprawiona. Dorota Nicewicz From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Wed Mar 23 19:27:35 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA23520; Wed, 23 Mar 94 19:10:22 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: PC-NFS (bylo: Re: propozycja zakupu...) To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 19:09:10 cet From: Maciek Uhlig In-Reply-To: <67349.dorota@math.amu.edu.pl>; from "Dorota Nicewicz" at Mar 23, 94 3:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403231909.aa28375@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> > >w miare sensowne pierwsze wrazenie. Wada (o ile jest to wada) Pathworkow > >jest brak realizacji NFS, za to te funkcje przejmuje oprogramowanie > >serwera lub oprogramowanie protokolu Lan Managera. > W sytuacji rosnacej ilosci hostow unixowych w polskim internecie > dostep z PC, poprzez NFS do zasobow tychze hostow wydaje sie > bardzo istotna zaleta PC/TCP. Pathworki posiadaja inne zalety: polyslo.calpoly.edu: /pub/mdurkin/nfs/nfs022-w.zip NFS klient dla PC na stacku wattcp. Beta, ale i tak dziala ladnie. Shareware. W polaczeniu z pktmux i tcpman Tattama mozna odpalic wszystko na raz: CUTCP telnet, lub Minueta, Mosaic pod Windows i, oczywiscie, NFS do unixowego hosta (tez pod Windows). W sumie za friko. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca Wed Mar 23 23:27:34 1994 Received: from acs7.acs.ucalgary.ca by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA11884; Wed, 23 Mar 94 23:09:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca by acs7.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35670; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:44:05 -0700 Received: by acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36604; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:44:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:44:05 -0700 From: wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca Message-Id: <9403232144.AA36604@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: UnixWare (bylo PC/NFS) Czy Novell wogole rozprowadza to w Polsce ? Jakos nie widze zachwytow :-) Witold Owoc #disclaimer "my.private.views" From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Thu Mar 24 08:07:35 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA17301; Thu, 24 Mar 94 07:59:05 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: Re: UnixWare (bylo PC/NFS) To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 7:58:20 cet From: Maciek Uhlig In-Reply-To: <9403232144.AA36604@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca>; from "wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca" at Mar 23, 94 11:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403240758.aa07136@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> > > Czy Novell wogole rozprowadza to w Polsce ? Tak. jest w ofercie np. Techmexu. > Jakos nie widze zachwytow :-) > A czy trzeba sie zachwycac? Jesli masz jakies doswiadczenia, to je opisz. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From chris@highresnmr.biophys.upenn.edu Thu Mar 24 15:23:59 1994 Received: from NOC4.DCCS.UPENN.EDU by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA03796; Thu, 24 Mar 94 15:20:02 +0100 Received: from HIGHRESNMR.BIOPHYS.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA24795; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:21:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: by highresnmr.biophys.upenn.edu id AA12097; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:17:14 EST Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:17:14 EST From: chris@highresnmr.biophys.upenn.edu (Krzysztof Wroblewski) Posted-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:17:14 EST Message-Id: <9403241417.AA12097@highresnmr.biophys.upenn.edu> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: UnixWare (bylo PC/NFS) Slyszalem, ze istnieje polska wersja MS Windows 3.1 Czy ktos tego moze probowal? - interesuje mnie glownie mozliwosc uzywania polskich czcionek w programach pisanych w Visual Basic. Krzysztof From rzm@oso.chalmers.se Fri Mar 25 08:24:02 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA12842; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:06:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chalmers.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id IAA12541; Fri, 25 Mar 1994 08:09:11 +0100 Received: from oden.oso.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA07266; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:09:09 +0100 Received: by oden.oso.chalmers.se (5.64/0.0) id AA28565; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:09:08 +0100 From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) Message-Id: <9403250709.AA28565@oden.oso.chalmers.se> Subject: routing lezy? To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl (Lista dla polipow) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 08:09:05 +0100 (MET) X-Acknowledge-To: Latin-Date: Vineri XXV Martie A.D. MCMXCIV X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 395 Nigdzie nic nie slychac o powodach, a tymczasem juz okolo doby routing pl idzie tylko przez Wieden. Czy cos sie zacielo i nie przelaczylo po zacmieniu? R. -- Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se rzm@mat.uni.torun.pl <-finger for public snail: Omgangen 464-82, 412-80 Goteborg, Sweden; tel: +46-31-7780831 key Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. Lec From mpokul@lksu.ippt.gov.pl Fri Mar 25 08:44:02 1994 Received: from lksu.ippt.gov.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA14028; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:40:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by lksu.ippt.gov.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10139; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:46:20 +0100 Organization: Institute of Fundamental Technological Research Address: Swietokrzyska 21, 00-049 Warszawa, POLAND Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:46:20 +0100 From: mpokul@lksu.ippt.gov.pl (Marek Pokulniewicz) Message-Id: <9403250746.AA10139@lksu.ippt.gov.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: routing lezy? Czesc, W NASKu mi powiedzieli ze maja awarie routera. Marek Pokulniewicz From muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Fri Mar 25 08:44:06 1994 Received: from usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA13817; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:36:21 +0100 Return-Path: Subject: Re: routing lezy? To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 8:36:20 cet From: Maciek Uhlig In-Reply-To: <9403250709.AA28565@oden.oso.chalmers.se>; from "Rafal Maszkowski" at Mar 25, 94 8:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9403250836.aa05781@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> > Nigdzie nic nie slychac o powodach, a tymczasem juz okolo doby routing > pl idzie tylko przez Wieden. Czy cos sie zacielo i nie przelaczylo po > zacmieniu? Z tego co wiem spalil sie (wg NASK ulegl fizycznej awarii) amerykanski multiplekser na linii 2MB w Warszawie. Termin usuniecia awarii nie jest znany, a polski Internet praktycznie stoi. Maciek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Maciej UHLIG, Computer Center, Silesian University Uniwersytecka 4 St., 40-007 KATOWICE, POLAND Internet: muhlig@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Voice: +48 (32) 588211 (1768) Fax: +48 (32) 596847 ***** Imagine all the people sharing all the world (John Lennon) ***** From jasio@frodo.nask.org.pl Fri Mar 25 09:04:03 1994 Received: from frodo.nask.org.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA14786; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:55:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by frodo.nask.org.pl (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA04922; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:53:45 GMT+0100 Organization: Research and Academic Computer Network Address: Krakowskie Przedmiescie 26/28, 00-927 Warsaw, Poland. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 08:47:52 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: Janusz Motoszko Subject: Re: routing lezy? To: polip@zsku.p.lod.edu.pl In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Uscislajac wiadomosci, ktore sie ukazaly na POLIP-ie informuje, ze awarii uleglo urzadzenie sprzegajace pomiedzy router-em a linia satelitarna. Spodziewany czas usuniecia awarii: po uzyskaniu zastepczego urzadzenia, 1 - 7 dni. Do tego czasu wszystkie polskie sieci sa routowane przez Wieden 64kbps. --JM. From jasio@frodo.nask.org.pl Fri Mar 25 09:44:02 1994 Received: from frodo.nask.org.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA16617; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:37:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by frodo.nask.org.pl (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA05011; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:02:51 GMT+0100 Organization: Research and Academic Computer Network Address: Krakowskie Przedmiescie 26/28, 00-927 Warsaw, Poland. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:00:39 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: Janusz Motoszko Subject: routing lezy? To: polip@zsku.p.lod.edu.pl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII W/g ostatnich wiadomosci, odpowiednie urzadzenie zastepcze jest juz na lotnisku w Warszawie. Problemem jest tylko wyszarpniecie go od naszych kochanych celnikow co potrwa od 3 godzin do 3 dni. --JM. From szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl Fri Mar 25 10:06:34 1994 Received: from galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA17094; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:49:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: by uci.agh.edu.pl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13313; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:50:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:50:51 +0100 From: szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl (Szymon Sokol) Message-Id: <9403250850.AA13313@uci.agh.edu.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: routing lezy? >Uscislajac wiadomosci, ktore sie ukazaly na POLIP-ie informuje, ze >awarii uleglo urzadzenie sprzegajace pomiedzy router-em a linia >satelitarna. Spodziewany czas usuniecia awarii: po uzyskaniu >zastepczego urzadzenia, 1 - 7 dni. Do tego czasu wszystkie polskie >sieci sa routowane przez Wieden 64kbps. Z mojego punktu widzenia to jest tak, jakby nie byly routowane wcale: szymon@noc:~ (104) > traceroute searn.sunet.se traceroute to searn.sunet.se (192.36.125.4) 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ucirtr.uci.agh.edu.pl (149.156.96.10) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 2 rtr.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.3.1) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 3 rtr.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.1.2) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 rtr.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.1.2) 3 ms (ttl=253!) !H * * szymon@noc:~ (105) > Punkt 2 paragrafu 4 Umowy AGH-NASK stanowi, ze "Abonent ma prawo dochodzenia potracen kosztow dzialania sieci NASK w wysokosci 150% ceny straconego czasu o ile dostepnosc sieci w ciagu miesiaca wynosi mniej niz 95% ustalonego w umowie czasu." Zgaduje, ze inni "abonenci" maja analogiczne klauzule w swoich umowach, wiec zycze NASK-owi aby czas tej awarii nie przekroczyl 5% miesiaca (=36h)... Szymon Sokol From mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl Fri Mar 25 14:44:02 1994 Received: from lnx1.boa.uni.torun.pl by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA22597; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:36:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from mc10.boa.uni.torun.pl (mc10 [158.75.3.9]) by boa.uni.torun.pl (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA08705 for <@[158.75.3.13]:polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl>; Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:40:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:40:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199403251340.OAA08705@boa.uni.torun.pl> To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl From: mc10@lnx1.boa.uni.torun.pl (Marek Czubenko) Reply-To: mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl Po mojej "Pathworkowej" propozycji wywiazala sie dyskusja. Probuje niniejszym odpowiedziec na co niektore charakterystyczne jej fragmenty. Co prawda cytowany jest jeden email, ale podobne sprawy poruszane byly rowniez w innych wypowiedziach > Wedlug mnie trudno tu mowic o konkurencji, jako, ze oprogramowanie > PC/TCP jest samodzielnym oprogramowaniem (peer to peer) natomiast > Pathworks to siec lokalna (client - server). Srodowisko sprzetowo-programowe na jakim pracuje wyglada nastepujaco: PC SCO UNIX z NFS jako serwer i router do swiata, oraz PC z Linuxem jako mail - exchanger, procz tych dwoch UNIXow na tym samym cienkim segmencie wisza klienckie PC z PC/TCP (sic!) SCO serwuje np. dyski do PCow. W tym srodowisku sa wszystkie podstawowe elementy niezbedne w sieci klient-serwer. Z punktu widzenia mojego, jako uzytkownika tego swiata tak to wlasnie wyglada. Co wiecej wszystkie pozostale instalacje PC/TCP w mojej Uczelni i okolicy wygaldaja podobnie do mojej (niektore sa podcepione bezposrednio do jeszcze wiekszej ilosci serwerow). W tym kontekscie widze mozliwosc zastosowania Pathworkow (wersja 5) zamiast PC/TCP. Problemem jest kwestia serwowania dyskow z SCO, ale dla SCO istnieje serwer Pathworkowy. A zzatem z takiego punktu widzenia mozna mowic o konkurencyjnosci Pathworkow. Instalowalem trzy kolejne wersje PC/TCP (2.1, 2.2 i 2.3) na kilku PC. (Procedura jest niezbyt mila, dluga i dosc zmudna i zawsze potem trzeba recznie cos poprawiac.) W procedurze tej ciagle paletaja sie jakies serwery, wiec nie bardzo rozumiem dlaczego niby PC/TCP ma byc peer-to-peer sensu stricto. Zwlaszcza, ze przed zakupem licencji ATM reklamowal ten produkt jako klienckie oprogramowanie sieci klient-serwer. Reasumujac widze mozliwosc porownania tych dwoch produktow (a wiec rowniez konkurencji) patrzac z punktu widzenia mojego wlasnego lokalnego podworka i majac swiadomosc, ze rzeczywistosc sprzetowa w wielu innych instytucjach akademickich (i nie tylko) wykazuje duzo cech podobienstwa do mojej lokalnej sytuacji. >> Podstawowa zaleta pozamerytoryczna Pathworkow jest ich cena (dla >> srodowisk akademickich 22 USD per PC. Dla porownanie cena FTP >> startuje z poziomu mniej wiecej 130 USD, za tyle rok temu kupowalismy >> 30 licencji i to juz byla cena obnizona, ostatnio pojedyncze >> egzemplarze oferowano za cene ok. 200 USD (w obu przypadkach nalezy >> uwzglednic VAT). > Czy cena ta dotyczy licencji servera w przeliczeniu na jedna stacje? > Dotychczas dostepny byl server Pathworkow pracujacy w systemie > VMS (VAX) lub Ultrix (DECstations), byc moze dostepne juz jest > oprogramowanie dla DEC-owskiej implementacji OSF/1. W jaki sposob > mozna porownac koszty PC/TCP z kosztami Pathworks skoro do ich > instalacji potrzebny jest server, a dla niego odpowiedni sprzet > np. VAX lub DECstations? Z tego co mi wiadomo (opieram sie na danych uzyskanych z f-my Digital Equipment Polska), to placi sie za klientow, a nie za serwer. NB istnieje serwer Pathworkowy dla OSF/1. Tak naprawde serwery Pathworkowe dla wersji 5 realizuja protokol Lan Managerowy i kazdy serwer z zaimplementowanym Lan Managerem moze robic za serwer Pathworkowy. Tak jest podobno np. w przypadku stacji SUNowskich (nie sprawdzalem tego jeszcze "tymi palcami", ale przekazuje te informacje powolujac sie na DECa i SUNa). Powyzej przedstawilem argumenty na podstawie ktorych traktuje FTP Software PC/TCP i Pathworki jako konkurencyjne. I majac co najmniej jeden serwer (a mam) te koszty moge juz porownywac. >> Nie chcialbym rozpisywac sie na temat zalet i wad obu produktow, >> bo w miare kompetentnie moglbym cos powiedziec nt. FTP (uzywam od roku), >> a Pathworkom moglem sie dopiero przyjrzec na tyle, by uzyskac >> w miare sensowne pierwsze wrazenie. Wada (o ile jest to wada) Pathworkow >> jest brak realizacji NFS, za to te funkcje przejmuje oprogramowanie >> serwera lub oprogramowanie protokolu Lan Managera. > W sytuacji rosnacej ilosci hostow unixowych w polskim internecie > dostep z PC, poprzez NFS do zasobow tychze hostow wydaje sie > bardzo istotna zaleta PC/TCP. Pathworki posiadaja inne zalety: > dostep do uslug LAT i LAD. Inna kwestia jest latwosc obslugi > oprogramowania, nie posiadam doswiadczen w pracy z PC/TCP, natomiast > moje wrazenia z pracy z Pathworks (v.4.1a) sa zdecydowanie negatywne. > Dostepna mi do tej pory wersja odznacza sie dosc dlugim czasem > ladowania i zajmuje zbyt duzo miejsca w pamieci PC. Byc moze nowa wersja > tego oprogramowania zostala pod tym wzgledem poprawiona. Nie moge mowic o doswiadczeniach (bo zbyt krotko cwicze Pathworki), Ale z pobieznego ogladu wynika co nastepuje: Pathworki nie zajmuja wiecej RAMu w PC niz PC/TCP, czas ladowania mechanizmow sieciowych jest tez porownywalny. Jedynie emulator X-terminala uruchamia sie dlugo i co dziwne nie widac przy tym operacji z dyskiem, gdyby mnie nie uprzedzono, myslalbym, ze komputer sie zawiesil. Co do NFS. Z punktu widzenia usera jest to mile, ale zarzadzanie tym towarem zwlaszcza w duzych i rozrastajacych sie sieciach jest paskudne. Poniewaz polski internet ma to do siebie, ze ostro sie rozplenia, zatem jesli nie juz, to wkrotce wystapia problemy z kontrola nad calym tym kramem. Inni juz te problemy cwicza i efektem tych cwiczen jest to, ze pojawil sie DFS (Distributed FS), jednoczesnie wielcy producenci rownie wielkich standardow serwujacych dyski zra sie miedzy soba i jak wiesc gminna niesie miedzy bogobojnym ludem, NFS jest ponoc spisany na straty. Oczywiscie sa opory np. ze strony SUNa i producentow specjalizowanych serwerow NFSowych. Wydaje mi sie jednak, ze majac to wszystko na wzgledzie trzeba sie nad ksztaltem polskiego internetu bardzo powaznie zastanawiac, by nie wdepnac w jakies problemy. -- Marek Czubenko Uniwersytet M. Kopernika Zespol Pelnomocnika Rektora ds. Komputeryzacji Uczelni tel. +14-510, fax +21224 email: Internet: mc10@boa.uni.torun.pl czubenko@boa.uni.torun.pl bitnet: czubenko@pltumk11.bitnet From rzm@oso.chalmers.se Mon Mar 28 17:27:45 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by zsku.p.lodz.pl with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA03904; Mon, 28 Mar 94 17:12:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from chalmers.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id QAA13053; Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:13:43 +0200 Received: from oden.oso.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA09532; Mon, 28 Mar 94 16:13:41 +0200 Received: by oden.oso.chalmers.se (5.64/0.0) id AA29172; Mon, 28 Mar 94 16:13:40 +0200 From: rzm@oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) Message-Id: <9403281413.AA29172@oden.oso.chalmers.se> Subject: ograniczenia w podlaczaniu superkomputerow do sieci? To: polip@zsku.p.lodz.pl (Lista dla polipow) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:13:40 +0200 (MET) X-Acknowledge-To: Latin-Date: Lunti XXVIII Martie A.D. MCMXCIV X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 472 Slyszalem, ze w Polsce obowiazywalo wymaganie COCOMu aby nie podlaczac do sieci najwiekszych superkomputerow. Czy to prawda? A jezeli - to czy w zwiazku ze skresleniem Polski z listy COCOM to ograniczenie przestanie obowiazywac? R. -- Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se rzm@mat.uni.torun.pl <-finger for public snail: Omgangen 464-82, 412-80 Goteborg, Sweden; tel: +46-31-7780831 key Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. 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